Madlanga Commission hearing record
Day 191 of the Madlanga Commission
Witness: Vusimuzi 'Cat' Matlala
Evidence led by Advocate Thabang Pooe, Advocate Mahlape Sello SC (on the off-the-record dispute)
The official transcript of this day is now published, 182 pages of it, and this page is written from the record rather than from the bulletins. It settles the four conflicts this archive had left open, and it corrects one of them against a reputable outlet. The morning was not evidence at all: it was two counsel accusing each other, in open session, of not telling the truth.

The day in brief
What you need to know
- Nothing on this page is a finding. Every allegation here is untested. Lieutenant-General Shadrack Sibiya has previously testified that he received no money from Matlala; that account has not been tested against this evidence and he is presumed innocent. The IDAC investigators Matlala accuses have not answered him before this commission. Everyone named is presumed innocent.
- THIS PAGE IS NOW WRITTEN FROM THE OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT, 182 pages, published by the commission and mirrored by this archive. Where it differs from what the bulletins carried on the night, the record governs and the difference is stated rather than quietly fixed.
- THE REVERSAL IS CONFIRMED AND ITS SHAPE IS CLEARER. On 9 November, asked 'So there was no R500,000.00 in cash that you paid to General Sibiya?', Matlala answered 'No.' On this day, at paragraph 59 of the statement, he accepted it. Commissioner Khumalo asked him twice and he answered twice: 'you do confirm that you gave General Sibiya 500,000?' and 'Yes, I do.'
- THE PARAGRAPH 60 CONFLICT IS SETTLED, AGAINST THE MAIL AND GUARDIAN'S READING. Paragraph 59 is the R500 000 at the State Theatre basement towards a child's wedding in the North West. Paragraph 60 is R50 000 for Sibiya's travel costs to the SAPS Excellence Awards in DURBAN. There is no second R500 000 at paragraph 60.
- THE WORD 'FURTHER' CAME OUT OF PARAGRAPH 59 ON THE RECORD. The statement described the R500 000 as a further payment, implying an earlier one. Matlala said it was the first. Commissioner Baloyi: 'We should remove that.' He also told Commissioner Khumalo there had been no payment to Sibiya before it.
- THE R400 000 IS REAL AND IT IS THE COMMISSION'S OWN NOTE. Advocate Pooe pointed the panel to page 5 of the commission investigator Mr Dlamini's notes, which record Matlala saying 400 000 was paid to Sibiya as a contribution to a child's wedding or lobola celebration in the North West: 'consistent with what Mr Matlala just confirmed, but for the stated amounts.'
- NATIONAL COMMISSIONER FANNIE MASEMOLA IS NOT NAMED ANYWHERE IN THIS DAY'S TRANSCRIPT. The disputed 'Fannie' passage is Sergeant Fannie Nkosi, who appears throughout. This archive had recorded The Citizen's reading of the passage as referring to General Masemola alongside the Mail and Guardian's reading of it as Sergeant Nkosi; the record supports the second and this page says so.
- THE McBRIDE CLAIM IS ON THE OFFICIAL RECORD, not single-sourced as this archive had it. Matlala said of paragraph 61: 'So Mr McBride, I never saw him there. So it is something that they advise. I remember the person who advised me is Mr Bellochun, actually, who said we must add Mr McBride.' Commissioner Baloyi noted McBride does not appear in his consultation with Mr Dlamini.
- THE 'MISLED THE AD HOC COMMITTEE' LINE WAS COMMISSIONER KHUMALO'S, NOT THE EVIDENCE LEADER'S. This archive had attributed it to Advocate Pooe on a report. The transcript records Advocate Sandile Khumalo SC saying it: 'it means either you misled the Ad Hoc Committee or you are misleading us. It must be that way.'
- THE DAY OPENED WITH AN ETHICS FIGHT, not with evidence. Matlala's counsel told the chairperson she was 'quite appalled and shocked' that the commission had used notes of a consultation she says all sides agreed was off the record. Evidence leader Advocate Mahlape Sello SC answered that no such agreement was ever made and that she had been accused of conduct 'reportable to the LPC'.
- AN APOLOGY WAS DEMANDED AND GIVEN IN OPEN SESSION. After tea, Ms Sello established that she had not even been at the meeting Ms van den Heever placed her at. The chairperson refused to let the apology stay private: 'you made the assertion in open session, so you should actually start with that apology for us to take the apology seriously.'
- THE CHAIRPERSON UNDERTOOK TO EXPUNGE. If the commission ends up accepting the off-the-record version, then 'any and everything that relates to the cross-examination of Mr Matlala around Mr Dlamini's affidavit will be expunged from the record.' Affidavits from both sides are to be filed.
- HE INVOKED SELF-INCRIMINATION ABOUT THIRTY TIMES, and on paragraphs 68, 69 and 70, which concern Brigadier Rachel Matjeng and payments routed through a butchery, he answered almost nothing else.
- THE SCHEDULE WAS FOUGHT OVER AND THE COMMISSION WON THE DAY. Counsel said she was not available on 11 November; the chairperson said a categorical 'I am not available' was not enough when her trial had been cleared. After a short adjournment the representatives reached an agreement and the chairperson announced: 'tomorrow we will sit until we finish regardless of what time that will be.'
Full coverage
The day, in depth
Before any evidence at all, two counsel told the commission the other was not telling the truth
The witness was in his seat at the start and did not speak for nearly two hours. Advocate Annelene van den Heever rose first, and what she raised was not about the statement or the payments but about how the commission had come by the notes it used against her client the day before. On Sunday 23 August 2026, she said, an email reached her team attaching an affidavit by the commission's investigator Mr Bongani Dlamini with his notes of a consultation held at Kgosi Mampuru on 27 March 2026. Her instructions were that the consultation had been off the record. She approached the evidence leaders, she said, 'because I believe ethics is an extremely important part of what we do', told them that if they persisted her attorney would go under oath, and was told the next morning that the issue would not be pursued. Then on Day 190 Advocate Adila Hassim SC put the notes to Matlala. 'I was quite appalled and shocked to see that,' she told the panel. 'My client should never have been confronted with what happened off-the-record.' She said she would place it all in an affidavit and ask the commission to decide what to do about it.
'It is actually reportable to the LPC'
Advocate Mahlape Sello SC asked to answer and spent the better part of an hour doing it, because what had been said about her was, in her words, 'issues of ethical misconduct' that are 'actually reportable to the LPC and to our respective Bar associations'. She walked the panel through a correspondence file from 6 March 2026 onward: the request to consult, the collapse of the 17 March consultation when, as she put it, 'IDAC hijacked that consultation' and Matlala ended up in court, the rescheduling to 27 and 30 March, and a consultation at Kgosi Mampuru that ran from ten in the morning until after nine at night. Then the rhetorical question the whole argument turned on: 'what would be the purpose of holding two-day consultations with Mr Matlala if we are off the record? Off the record would imply anything that Mr Matlala informs us of, we cannot come present in public.' She added that the commission's own investigator had been present at both consultations, which would make no sense if nothing said could ever be used, and that a draft affidavit drawn from the 27 March consultation had been emailed to Matlala's attorneys the very next day. Commissioner Khumalo put the point to Ms van den Heever directly: 'there is no contemporaneous correspondence recording this arrangement. What then happens is a draft affidavit is circulated and it is sent to Mr Matlala's attorneys ... Why would anybody then go through all that effort of drafting an affidavit and sharing it with Mr Matlala's attorneys if what was discussed at this consultation was never to be repeated?' She accepted there was no contemporaneous record of the arrangement and said she acted on instructions.
Rule 6.1, and what a commission may receive
Commissioner Advocate Sandile Khumalo SC moved the argument off ethics and onto the commission's own rules, asked for a copy of them to be handed up, and asked counsel to address him on Rule 6.1. His own answer was the one that mattered: 'the ethical duties that you can take up with the Johannesburg Bar and the LPC, but sitting here as a Commissioner, if there is an affidavit in front of me and it is relevant to the issues we are investigating, this rule says I may receive that evidence that is relevant to my mandate, including evidence that might otherwise be inadmissible in a court of law.' Ms van den Heever accepted the point and narrowed hers: 'You are free to do with it what you wish to do with it at the end of the day. I am raising with you an ethical point.' Commissioner Baloyi then asked the question she wanted answered on affidavit: why, if the 27 March consultation was off the record, did Matlala's attorney not say so when the draft affidavit arrived on 28 March, and why did his letter of 30 March preserve his client's rights about the Friday interview without once recording that it had been off the record.
The chairperson's ruling, and the undertaking to expunge
The chairperson ruled that the day proceed and that the Dlamini affidavit could be returned to if needed, pending the affidavits both sides would file. He attached a protection to it that is worth recording precisely, because it is the second undertaking of this kind he has given this week: 'What will happen, if in the end the Commission accepts that the position is as asserted by Ms Van den Heever, then anything, any and everything that relates to the cross-examination of Mr Matlala around Mr Dlamini's affidavit will be expunged from the record.' Ms van den Heever accepted it: 'Thank you, Chair. I am happy with that.' The commission then broke for tea, seven minutes early, the chairperson observing it was probably not worth starting.
The apology, and the apology that was refused
The tea break changed the dispute. Advocate Sello came back and told the panel she had approached Ms van den Heever during the adjournment to point out that she had not even been in the building on 26 August, so the meeting she had been placed at 'is utterly impossible'. Ms van den Heever had shown her a screen grab of the communication, which did not involve her. 'I require Advocate van den Heever to officially retract those allegations she advanced against me,' Ms Sello said, 'and to apologise for impugning my integrity in that manner.' Ms van den Heever accepted she had been wrong on that point and said she had already apologised privately. The chairperson would not accept that: 'Not in open session because you made the assertion in open session, so you should actually start with that apology for us to take the apology seriously. That is where you should start.' She apologised in open session, and then asked for an apology of her own for the suggestion that the discussions had never happened. The chairperson declined: whether the discussion happened is still in dispute, Ms Hassim was not in the room, 'and if in the end anybody should apologise, that is something that will happen at a later stage.' Advocate Sello noted for the record that she could not file an affidavit about a meeting she was never at. Evidence resumed at paragraph 56.
Paragraphs 56 and 57: completely false, and a commissioner asks what he is supposed to believe
Advocate Thabang Pooe took him through the section 204 statement from paragraph 56. His answer on 56 was 'Ja, paragraph 56 is false. Completely false', inserted and 'completely made up' by the IDAC investigators. Paragraph 57 was 'also false'. Commissioner Khumalo stopped the walk-through to put the accumulation to him: 'Very early in this Commission, we heard evidence from Witnesses A and B and they told the Commission about an interrogation at which you stated to them that you paid hundreds of thousands of rands to General Sibiya. We also have an affidavit of Mr Dlamini who says you volunteered this information to him that you paid 500,000 to General Sibiya. And then we have an affidavit that you signed confirming that you paid 500,000 to General Sibiya. Now you are sitting there under oath. You want us to believe that what you said in that recording played by Witnesses A and B, it was made up. What is stated here in this affidavit was made up by IDAC. What you allegedly volunteered to the Commission's investigators, you were hallucinating because you were under medication according to you. What am I supposed to make of this?' Matlala said the recordings were made up, that he did not know who Witnesses A and B are, and that he did not remember volunteering anything. Asked whether he had not seen paragraphs 56 and 57 when he initialled the page, he said 'Of course I did not see it.' Commissioner Baloyi established that the three or four versions of the statement were produced over days, in sittings with the investigators, and that he was given no copy until the last one.
Paragraph 59: the reversal, and the zeros on the page
Paragraph 59 is where the day turns. Advocate Pooe put it to him as a payment 'made at the basement of the State Theatre in Pretoria' that 'was said to be towards the payment of a wedding', and he confirmed the paragraph. There followed a small comedy about the typing that is worth keeping because it is the source of several of the week's conflicting numbers. The chairperson first said 500, then corrected himself: 'I must, I must apologise to you, Ms Pooe, you are correct, it is actually R50,000. Of course, the crazy positioning of the zeros. But Mr Matlala admits that it was 500,000, correct?' Matlala: 'Yes, that is correct, Chair.' Advocate Pooe agreed the spacing had caught her too. Then the second correction, which matters more: the statement calls it a further payment, implying one before it. 'No, it is not a further,' Matlala said, 'I see it is a further, okay, I am sorry to say it is a correct statement, the further payment part', and then explained that the word belongs with paragraph 60 instead. Commissioner Baloyi: 'So you suggest the further would be deleted in that paragraph 59.' Matlala: 'Yes, the further must be deleted.' Baloyi: 'We should remove that.' Commissioner Khumalo closed the loop a few minutes later, asking whether this was the first payment to Sibiya and whether there were none before it. 'Before, no.' 'So this was the first one from you to him?' 'Yes.'
The commission's own note says R400 000, and Witness C's recording says a wedding
Having got the admission, Advocate Pooe immediately put two independent records of the same thing beside it, and both came from the commission rather than from IDAC. The first is the investigator's note: 'in file 10, where Mr Dlamini's notes are, at page 5 in particular, you will note there that Mr Dlamini also made reference to Mr Matlala having indicated, the figure there is different, 400,000, paid to General Sibiya as contribution to General Sibiya's child's wedding or lobola celebration in North West, which is consistent with what Mr Matlala just confirmed, but for the stated amounts.' That is the R400 000 this archive had been carrying on a single outlet's report; it is on the official record, and it is a figure for the same wedding, not a separate payment. The second is a transcript of a post-arrest interview with Witness C, at CJC434.7, in which Witness C says 'So, you pay in advance for whenever you need something' and Matlala answers: 'The guy would always call and ask for money for a wedding or ask stuff. You know, want to buy a farm, want to, it is different things that he would ask money for.' Commissioner Khumalo asked the question the admission does not answer: 'why would you need to give General Sibiya 400,000 or 500,000? What would that be for? I mean, you are not his relative. I can understand the relative contribution towards a family member's wedding, but why would you, a businessman, give General Sibiya 500,000 towards his child's wedding?' Matlala's answer was that it falls within a security issue he had raised with the evidence leaders, and that he fears for his own safety and a family member's. He confirmed the payment and would not give the reason.
Paragraph 60: the R50 000 was travel money to Durban
The conflict this archive flagged hardest is resolved in four lines. Matlala confirmed paragraph 60 in full, and Advocate Pooe put the matching note beside it: 'similarly in Mr Dlamini's notes at page 5, just under the one that we dealt with, he also noted that Mr Matlala indicated that 50,000 was given to General Sibiya for travel costs to attend the Excellence Awards in Durban.' So paragraph 60 records R50 000 for travel to Durban, not a second R500 000. The Mail and Guardian's reading of paragraph 60 as a further R500 000 for a Durban awards event is not what the record contains, and the four outlets that reported R50 000 for travel were right. The location question resolves the same way: Durban, in the commission's own note.
Paragraph 61: the name he says he was told to add
Paragraph 61 is the one that reaches the former head of IPID. Matlala did not confirm it: 'No. Mr McBride, they said I must add him because if I do not add people who are protecting General Sibiya, those people, they know they are his friends. So Mr McBride, I never saw him there. So it is something that they advise. I remember the person who advised me is Mr Bellochun, actually, who said we must add Mr McBride.' Advocate Pooe restated it for the record as a paragraph correct except for the inclusion of Mr McBride's name, 'which was suggested by IDAC investigator Mr Bellochun', and he agreed. Commissioner Khumalo pressed on what that meant: 'Are you saying Mr Bellochun told you to lie under oath?' Matlala: 'No, he told me that he wants people who are friends with him, yes ... he did not say lie under oath. He said like what I just explained earlier. But obviously that is lying under oath.' Commissioner Baloyi added the point that cuts in Matlala's favour on this one: 'But also noticeably, you do not include Mr McBride in your consultation with Mr Dlamini. I am just pointing that out.' Matlala: 'Mr McBride was not present.' This archive had recorded the claim as resting on a single outlet, Inside Politics, and had declined to rely on it. It is on the official record. Mr Bellochun has not answered it before this commission, and Mr McBride is not accused of anything by it; the evidence is that his name should never have been in the document.
The engagement party, and the answer he gave Parliament
The same paragraph put him at an engagement party at Lieutenant-General Sibiya's residence. He confirmed he was there, and Advocate Pooe showed that Mr Dlamini's notes record the same thing: 'even in that consultation, you confirmed that you and your wife were invited to General Sibiya's son's engagement party.' Two facts follow that this archive had open. The event he attended was the SON's engagement party, and it is a different occasion from the wedding the R500 000 went towards: when Advocate Pooe slipped and said wedding, Matlala corrected her, 'I think there was two weddings, the engagement party and there was also a wedding ... It is not on the same day', and confirmed to Commissioner Baloyi that he attended the engagement party only. He said the invitation reached him through Sergeant Nkosi, and Advocate Pooe put up the WhatsApp traffic: Sibiya to Nkosi, 'Ask her to make a turn'; Nkosi back, 'I spoke to him earlier. He promised to come around 8 o'clock.' Sibiya had told this commission that Matlala was not invited and had come to fetch his wife, who had drunk too much; Matlala rejected that, said Sergeant Nkosi told him to come, and agreed with Commissioner Khumalo that he stayed about two hours and possibly three. Then the contradiction. Advocate Pooe read the ad hoc committee transcript, where Advocate Norman Arendse asked 'But did you know before she went there and before she had too much to drink that she was at Lieutenant General Sibiya's son's engagement party?' and he answered 'No, I do not know'; asked 'Were you not invited to the party?', 'No'; asked why, when his wife was invited, 'My wife's friends are not my friends.' He accepted the contradiction. Commissioner Khumalo put the consequence: 'if what you are telling us today is different to what you told the Ad Hoc Committee, it means either you misled the Ad Hoc Committee or you are misleading us. It must be that way. If you said yes here and you said no there, it means you misled one of the two bodies. It is as simple as that.' He added that no in camera session was needed for it, because the commission has the transcript.
A commissioner's patience, in her own words
The rebuke this day is known for came earlier, on paragraph 57, and the transcript version is longer and more measured than the bulletins made it sound. Commissioner Advocate Sesi Baloyi SC prefaced it by saying she spoke 'hoping that it will improve the quality of our engagements', then: 'I think you have not been, you are not helpful to the Commission. We have gone the whole length of privilege, against self-incrimination, we are still waiting to hear on some of it whether you are being charged or not, but those defences have been raised for your benefit. We are having this back and forth with you. I must say my view, this has been a complete waste of our time. And if this is how we are going to be proceeding, then at this point my honest view of you is you are being obstructive. You are not helping the Commission in any way, at all.' She told him that reliance on a previous inconsistent statement, and therefore a fear of perjury, 'is not a satisfactory answer', and then the line that travelled: 'And you are here not for an outing today. You are here to assist the Commission, which is a fact-gathering body. You have the protections that are provided for in the rules and in the regulations. And the chairperson is very strict about upholding those protections that you are entitled to, but you are not being of help to us. Not at all.' He asked her what he should do when a question might incriminate him because of a previous statement. Her answer: 'The duty to us is to tell us the truth. That is your duty to us.'
The impalas
Paragraphs 62 to 64 are about game animals, and they are the clearest illustration of how this witness handles a document he says was written for him. He confirmed that Sergeant Nkosi had visited his farm in Bela-Bela and seen the animals, but not the statement's conclusion that 'not long thereafter, Sibiya asked me for the impala'. Asked by Commissioner Khumalo whether Sibiya had ever asked him for impalas at any stage, he said 'No.' Advocate Pooe then put Mr Dlamini's note of the same episode, under the heading impalas: 'At some point when Sergeant Nkosi visited Cat game farm in Limpopo, he saw impalas, zebras and asked if he can come and shoot them. Cat did not allow him. During their discussion, Sergeant Nkosi indicated that maybe his friend might like the impalas in his farm. Sergeant Nkosi, according to Cat, was referring to General Sibiya.' That version he accepted as more accurate. The delivery itself is in his own phone. The commission played a voice note sent at 07:24 on 21 March 2024 by his farm manager, Mr Rudi Botha: 'I am so sorry to bother you, sir. Can you send me a pin drop to where the bucks, to where the impalas must go, please, sir? If you can just send me a pin drop where it must go to?' Matlala forwarded it to Sergeant Nkosi; the same audio file appears in Nkosi's chat with Sibiya the same minute, with Nkosi's line 'Morning, it is from Cat.' His correction to paragraph 64 was that he had not known at the time that the animals were for Sibiya: 'It did not matter to me by that point because I wanted to get rid of the animals anyway, because every year I give it to people. So, but I just realised after that they were going to General Sibiya.'
'I felt obligated to do so considering his position', and the plot in Midrand
Paragraph 65 reads 'I reiterate that at all material times I complied with all the requests that I received from Sibiya. I felt obligated to do so considering his position', and then a sentence saying Sibiya made it possible for Medicare to be awarded the medical contract. Matlala kept the first two sentences and struck the third. Asked which requests he had complied with, he said he would deal with it in another forum, for safety reasons. Paragraph 66 concerns a plot in Midrand. He struck two sentences as inserted by IDAC, the ones about telling Sibiya he would pay as SAPS money came in, and kept the rest, including that he went with Sibiya to meet the seller. The sentence he explicitly agreed with is the sharpest thing he said all day: 'It is right there and then that I realised that the extortion that I was being subjected to will not end and decided not to buy the plot for Sibiya.' Advocate Pooe then played him against himself again, from the Witness C interview at page 442, where he is recorded telling investigators he had given Sibiya R2 000 000 for a plot in Midrand registered in a wife's name. He denied it: 'No, I do not recall that, and that can be easily verified even, so there is no such thing ... this voice recording is not true.' News24, under the byline of Karyn Maughan, reported the plot at R4 million; the transcript figure in the interview he disowns is R2 million, and the archive records both rather than picking one.
The bank card and the speedboat
Paragraph 67 says Sibiya asked him to take care of Sergeant Nkosi so that Nkosi would not expose the relationship between the two men. He confirmed only that he gave Nkosi a bank card, and denied the reason: 'I knew Sergeant Nkosi before General Sibiya even.' Asked by the chairperson what the circumstances were, he said Nkosi was 'someone like my, I would say, I took him as a younger brother ... Whenever he would need help, if I do not have cash, I would give him a card and he would bring it back.' Commissioner Khumalo put an earlier version to him: that the card had been left in a speedboat and found there. 'I cannot comment on that story. I know nothing about that story ... I have never left my bank card on the jet ski.' Advocate Pooe then read his own ad hoc committee answer back to him, where Advocate Arendse asked what Nkosi did for him and he said 'I remember one time that I asked him to go fetch my bank card and buy me a battery for a speedboat because my battery was dead and bring it to my farm.' His answer was that the card had gone to Nkosi more than once.
Paragraphs 68 to 70: a brigadier, a butchery, and no answers
The last stretch of the day concerns Brigadier Rachel Matjeng, who has already given evidence to this commission, and it is where the witness stopped answering altogether. Paragraph 68, which has a Mr Thema telling Matlala that Matjeng was in charge of medical screening, he said was made up by IDAC in its entirety. On paragraph 69 he invoked his right against self-incrimination, and Commissioner Baloyi ruled that Matjeng's account should be put to him anyway so that the record carries both. Advocate Pooe put it piece by piece: that Matjeng asked him for help with a judgment debt; that he asked for third-party banking details because the two were in a relationship and he did not want his wife to find out; that she sent him the account number of Osizweni Meat Market; that he made three payments of R100 000 into it and sent her the proofs; that she received none of the money because he owed the butchery for meat supplied for funerals; and that, on her account, only the first R100 000 was ever meant for her. To every one of those he said he did not want to incriminate himself, including to the question of whether they were in a relationship at all. The chairperson told Advocate Pooe to put the questions anyway: 'Even though we know the answer you are going to get, maybe you could put the question.' He did confirm one thing: he had been to Ms Matjeng's house, many times, first before 2020. What he discussed with her there, before or after 2024, he could not recall or would not say.
The fight about the next day
After lunch, Advocate Sello told the panel the evidence would not finish and asked to sit on 11 November. She explained how thin the window was: the commission had approached the trial judge in Matlala's criminal case, who had set that trial down for the rest of the term, and had been allocated 9 and 10 November only. Judge Moosa's case was not sitting for the rest of the week, so the day was there. Advocate van den Heever said flatly that she was not available. The chairperson would not take it on its face: 'rather than saying I am not available tomorrow, Ms Missi is not available, my attorney is not available tomorrow, you owe us an explanation as to why you are not available', pointing out that the criminal trial had been set down for the whole week and that she would otherwise have been in it. She answered that the trial-within-a-trial does not involve her client, that another counsel stands in, that she would explain her personal reasons in chambers and not 'for the whole world to hear it'. The chairperson said he had been involved with the law for about forty-five years and had yet to see a defence team leave a client alone in a trial. Commissioner Baloyi cut through it practically: the commission already had a witness scheduled for 11 November, Ms Sello had telephoned the chief evidence leader to clear the slot, and if Thursday worked instead she wanted to know. The chairperson also put down a marker for the future: if circumstances require it he may direct that evidence proceed in Ms van den Heever's absence with another member of the team present, 'as I have done in respect of other witnesses'. The day ended at about a quarter past four with Advocate Pooe asking Matlala to look overnight at Sergeant Nkosi's Day 52 evidence on an Orlando East docket, and at the statement, to mark what he disputes. He said he could not: 'I am in a prisoner cell. I cannot overnight. They switch off the lights.' An arrangement was made for him to work with his attorneys. Then the chairperson: 'The delay was worth our while because the legal representatives managed to reach an agreement. We will continue tomorrow ... tomorrow we will sit until we finish regardless of what time that will be. We will sit until we finish.' The transcript closes: HEARING POSTPONED UNTIL 11 NOVEMBER 2026.
In their words
Key moments from the record
“So, you can explain further, but you do confirm that you gave General Sibiya 500,000? ... Yes, I do.”
“Can I just, Mr Matlala, why would you need to give General Sibiya 400,000 or 500,000? What would that be for? I mean, you are not his relative.”
“So you suggest the 'further' would be deleted in that paragraph 59. ... Yes, the 'further' must be deleted. ... We should remove that.”
“Mr Dlamini also made reference to Mr Matlala having indicated, the figure there is different, 400,000, paid to General Sibiya as contribution to General Sibiya's child's wedding or lobola celebration in North West, which is consistent with what Mr Matlala just confirmed, but for the stated amounts.”
“he also noted that Mr Matlala indicated that 50,000 was given to General Sibiya for travel costs to attend the Excellence Awards in Durban.”
“You want us to believe that what you said in that recording played by Witnesses A and B, it was made up. What is stated here in this affidavit was made up by IDAC. What you allegedly volunteered to the Commission's investigators, you were hallucinating because you were under medication according to you. What am I supposed to make of this? Must I believe that sitting there today you are telling the truth?”
“We are having this back and forth with you. I must say my view, this has been a complete waste of our time. And if this is how we are going to be proceeding, then at this point my honest view of you is you are being obstructive. You are not helping the Commission in any way, at all.”
“And you are here not for an outing today. You are here to assist the Commission, which is a fact-gathering body. You have the protections that are provided for in the rules and in the regulations.”
“if what you are telling us today is different to what you told the Ad Hoc Committee, it means either you misled the Ad Hoc Committee or you are misleading us. It must be that way. If you said yes here and you said no there, it means you misled one of the two bodies. It is as simple as that.”
“No. Mr McBride, they said I must add him because if I do not add people who are protecting General Sibiya, those people, they know they are his friends. So Mr McBride, I never saw him there. So it is something that they advise. I remember the person who advised me is Mr Bellochun, actually, who said we must add Mr McBride.”
“I am so sorry to bother you, sir. Can you send me a pin drop to where the bucks, to where the impalas must go, please, sir? If you can just send me a pin drop where it must go to?”
“It is right there and then that I realised that the extortion that I was being subjected to will not end and decided not to buy the plot for Sibiya. ... Yes, I can agree with this one.”
“I want to place on record that my client should never have been confronted with what happened off-the-record. What was agreed by this Commission's Evidence Leaders was an off-the-record discussion.”
“what would be the purpose of holding two-day consultations with Mr Matlala if we are off the record? Off the record would imply anything that Mr Matlala informs us of, we cannot come present in public. It was clear at all times that we were meeting with Mr Matlala with the purpose of obtaining a statement.”
“sitting here as a Commissioner, if there is an affidavit in front of me and it is relevant to the issues we are investigating, this rule says I may receive that evidence that is relevant to my mandate, including evidence that might otherwise be inadmissible in a court of law.”
“What will happen, if in the end the Commission accepts that the position is as asserted by Ms Van den Heever, then anything, any and everything that relates to the cross-examination of Mr Matlala around Mr Dlamini's affidavit will be expunged from the record.”
“Not in open session because you made the assertion in open session, so you should actually start with that apology for us to take the apology seriously. That is where you should start.”
“I am in a prisoner cell. I cannot overnight. They switch off the lights, so I cannot.”
“Having indicated that tomorrow we are sitting, tomorrow we will sit until we finish regardless of what time that will be. We will sit until we finish.”
Our analysis
The bottom line
The transcript vindicates this archive's decision to hold four things and publish them as open, and it also catches us out once. Paragraph 60 records R50 000 for travel to Durban, not a second R500 000: the four outlets that reported it that way were right and the Mail and Guardian was not. The R400 000 that only Inside Politics carried is real and is the commission's own investigator's note. The McBride allegation that only Inside Politics carried is on the record in Matlala's own words. And the passage this archive described as a disputed 'Fannie' is Sergeant Fannie Nkosi; the most senior police officer in the country is not named anywhere in these 182 pages. That is the fourth day running on which the official record has moved a fact that every bulletin carried the same way, and it is the argument for an archive that waits.
The morning is the more serious story and it got almost no coverage, because an argument between counsel about an email in August does not make a bulletin. What was at stake is whether the commission can use the single most damaging document it holds against this witness. The Dlamini notes are not IDAC's work, which is the whole of Matlala's defence to everything else; they are the commission's own record of what he volunteered in March, and they corroborate the R500 000, the wedding, the impalas and the butchery payments. If the commission ends up accepting that the 27 March consultation was off the record, the chairperson has already undertaken that all of it comes out. The archive should be clear that this is live and unresolved, and that affidavits from both sides are still to come.
On the merits of that dispute the record currently leans one way without settling it. There is no contemporaneous correspondence recording an off-the-record arrangement; the attorney who received a draft affidavit the day after the disputed consultation did not write back to say the contents were off the record; and a two-day consultation attended by an investigator is hard to square with an understanding that nothing said could ever be used. Against that, Ms van den Heever says she acted on instructions and offered to go under oath, which is not nothing, and the person she actually says gave her the assurance, Advocate Hassim, was not in the room to answer. The one thing that was resolved was resolved against her: Advocate Sello was never at the meeting at all, and the chairperson made her say so in public.
The reversal looks worse on the transcript than it did in the reporting, not better. It was not a correction offered; it came after the commission put its own notes, Witness C's recording and two affidavits in front of him, paragraph by paragraph, and after a commissioner told him he was obstructive. And the admission he finally gave has a hole in the middle of it. He confirms the amount, confirms the occasion, confirms it was the first payment, and then declines to say why a man holding a R360 million police contract hands the deputy national commissioner responsible for crime detection half a million rand. A reason withheld is not the same as a reason that does not exist, but a fact-gathering body cannot work with it, which is exactly what Commissioner Baloyi told him.
There is one passage that cuts the other way and it should not be lost in the rest: he agreed, without being pushed, that paragraph 66 is accurate where it says he realised the extortion would not end and refused to buy the plot. That is a man describing himself as a victim of a police officer, in a document he otherwise says was written for him by people who wanted to frame other people. Taken with his refusal to explain the R500 000 on safety grounds, and his evidence that he fears for a family member, it is at least a coherent account: that the payments were extracted rather than offered. It is also the account that would do Lieutenant-General Sibiya the most damage, and Sibiya has denied receiving anything. None of it has been tested, and that is where it stands.
Analysis is the archive’s own comment on the public proceedings, grounded in the record above. It weighs the evidence and the process; questions of individual guilt are for the courts and the commission to decide. Everyone named is presumed innocent.
On the record
Who testified this day
Follow the threads
Who Vusimuzi 'Cat' Matlala connects to
Dylan Perumal
On Day 190 Matlala told the commission that the suspended IDAC chief investigator typed the section 204 statement from his collapsed plea and sentence agreement, produced several versions of it and inserted material he had not said, and that IDAC officials booked him out of custody at night to press him for information on senior police generals. Perumal has never testified before this commission and has answered none of it. Untested; both presumed innocent.
View profile →Denies having moved money between him and SibiyaSerge Cabonge
On the recording played at Sibiya's bail hearing on 13 October 2026, Cabonge says 'Me, Cat, and Sibiya never did anything. I've never collected money from Cat to give to Sibiya', and alleges the two dealt through suspended Sergeant Fannie Nkosi instead. A denial on a private recording, not evidence before this commission. Untested; both presumed innocent.
View profile →The forensic services brigadier who told this commission they were in a relationshipBrigadier Rachel Matjeng
Per Eyewitness News, the Sowetan and IOL, Brigadier Rachel Matjeng told the commission on Days 54 and 55 that she and Matlala had been in an intermittent romantic relationship since 2017, that the money and gifts she received from him were personal and unrelated to the roughly R360 million SAPS health-services tender his linked company won, that she sat on none of the bid committees, and that she had in fact stepped in to stop the SAPS 'bleeding millions' to the contract. They are co-accused in the criminal prosecution over that tender, both arrested in the same 24 March 2026 operation. Reporting on his plea admissions says he stated he paid her R300,000 in connection with the tender; she has never accepted that characterisation, and he pleaded guilty on 25 June 2026 and then withdrew from the deal. Nothing in that prosecution has been determined and both are presumed innocent.
View profile →The sergeant he says collected cash, and who says the gifts came from himSergeant Fannie Nkosi
Per the Daily Maverick and Business Day, Matlala told the commission on Day 167 that suspended Sergeant Fannie Nkosi collected cash on Lieutenant-General Shadrack Sibiya's behalf, while refusing to name names because he did not want to incriminate himself with recordings under investigation. Nkosi's own March 2026 evidence ran in the other direction, describing gifts from Matlala to Sibiya including 20 live impala. Neither account has been tested and everyone named is presumed innocent.
View profile →The subject of his evidence on Day 192, and both named in the police forensic reportBheki Cele
On 11 November 2026 Matlala gave evidence about Mr Cele to this commission for the first time: that IDAC investigators coerced him into incriminating him and exaggerated the sum, and separately that he withdrew R500 000 and R200 000 in January 2025, delivered cash to his own penthouse at The Capital in Menlyn Maine, and later handed over R300 000 at a Durban hotel. He had earlier told the commission that Cele arranged his 15 April 2025 Umhlanga meeting with Mkhwanazi and told him to keep up his dealings with Brown Mogotsi, and told Parliament he paid Cele R500,000 in 2025. Per the Sunday Times of 3 October 2026 a SAPS forensic report recommends prosecuting both over the Medicare24 contract; nobody has been charged on it. Mr Cele denies receiving any money from him. Untested; both presumed innocent.
View profile →Head of the prisons service holding himMakgothi Samuel Thobakgale
Matlala is held at the Kgosi Mampuru II Correctional Centre in Pretoria, run by the Department of Correctional Services under National Commissioner Makgothi Thobakgale. The department rejected his legal team's August 2026 complaint that consultations had been obstructed. On 17 September 2026 Thobakgale gave the commission evidence on prison gangs and the grooming of officials; he did not give evidence about Matlala. Matlala has pleaded not guilty in his criminal trial and is presumed innocent.
View profile →Named in the taxi messages read into the record on Day 179Bafana 'King of the Sky' Sindane
Per Sowetan the WhatsApp evidence the commission led on 28 September 2026, in Sindane's absence, shows Sindane and Joe 'Ferrari' Sibanyoni sharing the personal details of people described as drug runners linked to Matlala and operating in Tshwane, shortly after Matlala's arrest for attempted murder; per The Citizen what the messages show is the pair tracking Matlala, whom it calls a rival tenderpreneur, and forwarding media reports about him to associates. The two outlets describe the same strand differently and both readings are recorded here. Matlala has not answered this material, none of it is tested, and he is presumed innocent.
View profile →The taxi boss he is charged with trying to killMadoda Johannes 'Joe Ferrari' Sibanyoni
Matlala and four co-accused have pleaded not guilty to 25 charges, including eleven counts of attempted murder, arising from the 10 August 2022 shooting of Joe 'Ferrari' Sibanyoni at the Centurion Golf and Country Club estate. The trial began on 21 July 2026 with Sibanyoni as the state's first witness. On Day 169 Sibanyoni told the commission that Matlala's association with the late Jotham Msibi was one reason he feared for his life. Untested; Matlala denies the charges and is presumed innocent.
View profile →Named alongside him in the Big Five evidenceKatiso 'KT' Molefe
Crime Intelligence head Lieutenant General Dumisani Khumalo named both men in September 2025 among the alleged leaders of the same Gauteng syndicate. Matlala has since testified under subpoena; Molefe has never appeared before the commission. Untested; both presumed innocent.
View profile →Alleged funderSuleiman Carrim
Evidence leaders described Carrim, with Hangwani Maumela, as one of the apparent funders behind Matlala's R360m Medicare24 tender; Carrim testified that Matlala and Brown Mogotsi 'played' him. Untested allegations.
View profile →Medicare24 / alleged cocaine dealMichael van Wyk
Matlala ran Medicare Tshwane District as a franchise of van Wyk's Medicare24 Holdings; their WhatsApp chats were led as an alleged 'get me a good price' cocaine deal. Untested; both presumed innocent (van Wyk on all counts).
View profile →Blue-lights arrangementJulius Mkhwanazi
Evidence tied Matlala's Cat VIP Protection to a draft EMPD memorandum and 'blue lights' arrangement alongside Mkhwanazi. Untested allegations.
View profile →Alleged co-conduitOupa 'Brown' Mogotsi
Carrim testified that Mogotsi and Matlala together 'played' him into the tender deal; money allegedly flowed to Mogotsi from the Medicare24 chain. On Day 160 Matlala said 'I actually hate him', described paying him up to R150,000, and said Bheki Cele told him to maintain the relationship. Mogotsi denies wrongdoing; untested.
View profile →Denied on the recordSenzo Mchunu
On Day 160 Matlala told the commission 'I have never met Minister Mchunu and have had no interactions with him', allowing only correspondence between their attorneys. A denial, not a finding.
View profile →Denied on the recordMajor-General Feroz Khan
Matlala denied ever meeting or interacting with the suspended Crime Intelligence deputy head on Day 160. A denial, not a finding.
View profile →Admitted meeting; agenda described on Day 167Lieutenant-General Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi
Matlala confirmed on Day 160 that he had met the KZN commissioner but claimed the privilege over what was discussed. On Day 167 he described it: Umhlanga, 15 April 2025, arranged by former police minister Bheki Cele, with Maj-Gen Lesetja Senona present; he wanted an introduction to the police human resources head over his company's non-performance, and he raised payments made to Lt-Gen Shadrack Sibiya by other people. Untested.
View profile →The friendship the commission spent Day 167 testingMajor General Lesetja Senona
Named among the affidavit omissions Matlala was recalled on Day 165 to explain, and the whole subject of Day 167. Matlala called him 'not friends but he's my older brother', said the general lent him R20,000 after the 6 December 2024 raid, confirmed WhatsApp advice of 13 May 2025 about challenging the Medicare24 cancellation, and refused to discuss a flat bought with Senona and his son Thato because his conduct with the general is under investigation. Untested; both presumed innocent.
View profile →LenderSteve Motsumi
Per SABC News and Business Day, Matlala confirmed a R5 million loan from Motsumi in 2024 under an acknowledgement of debt, repaid in 2025, and an unsuccessful approach for a further R20 million in 2025 to keep the Medicare24 contract alive. Untested; both presumed innocent.
View profile →Named among the omissions he was called back to explainMajor-General Richard Shibiri
Per SABC News and eNCA, the omissions Matlala was called back on Day 165 to explain included the name of the dismissed former head of the SAPS organised crime component. Nothing was tested on the day and Shibiri is presumed innocent.
View profile →Alleged gifts; refused to answerLieutenant-General Shadrack Sibiya
Asked about a recording said to discuss 20 live impala delivered to Sibiya's farm in March 2024, Matlala said on Day 160 'I do not want to incriminate myself because I know that the recordings are under investigation'. Untested; Sibiya is presumed innocent.
View profile →Named him from the standJotham 'King Mswazi' Msibi
On Day 160 Matlala said he knew three Gauteng businessmen linked to alleged criminal syndicates and named the late taxi boss Jotham 'King Mswazi' Msibi among them. The next sitting day, with Matlala stood down to 24 August, the commission spent entirely on evidence extracted from Msibi's phone. Untested; both presumed innocent.
View profile →Joint venture he described on Day 166Hangwani 'Morgan' Maumela
On 25 August 2026, once the commission established he is not a suspect in the SIU's Tembisa Hospital matter and so could not claim the privilege on the subject, Matlala described a joint venture with Maumela dating to about 2015 or 2016: roughly R1 million each into a joint supplier account, Gauteng health department quotations answered through a shared company, ten percent each on the other's deals. He also said he introduced Maumela to Jotham Msibi over a Pagani Huayra. Untested; Maumela has not answered it and is presumed innocent.
View profile →In the room & on the record
Counsel, the panel and sources
On the panel
Sources
- Madlanga Commission - official transcript, Day 191, 10 November 2026 (182 pages). Every quotation on this page is taken from it. ↗
- Madlanga Commission - official transcript, Day 190, 9 November 2026 (for the previous day's denial) ↗
- eNCA - 'Off the record' | Madlanga Commission hears clash over Matlala's legal consultations (10 Nov 2026) ↗
- News24, Karyn Maughan - R550 000, 20 impalas and a R4m plot: Matlala details Sibiya 'payments' and demands (10 Nov 2026) ↗
- Mail & Guardian - Matlala backtracks on payments to Sibiya (10 Nov 2026) ↗
- Eyewitness News - 'Cat' Matlala admits to handing R500k to former Deputy Police Commissioner Shadrack Sibiya (10 Nov 2026) ↗
- Sunday World - 'Cat' Matlala admits paying R500 000 for Sibiya's son's wedding (10 Nov 2026) ↗
- SABC News - Madlanga Inquiry: Matlala admits to paying Shadrack Sibiya R500K (10 Nov 2026) ↗
- IOL - 'This is not an outing': Baloyi warns Matlala over evasive answers (10 Nov 2026) ↗
- Inside Politics - Matlala admits misleading Parliament over payments to Sibiya (10 Nov 2026) ↗